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Interview with Tarek CHEHIDI, Coordinator, ADEA Task Force on ICT



0:12what does information and communication technology integration in education and

0:16training in Africa

0:17really mean two years ago we started doing some work

0:20consulting with Ministers of Education condition development partners and


0:25within the framework of the ice tea task force and what came out

0:28his one but the as more than need to be done

0:32so that there will be shared understanding what how

0:35Pacetti can help develop

0:38the way it education is delivered so that ministers have education education


0:43can best achieve education policies as far as education sector is concerned

0:47and so while you work in over on this

0:51we came to the conclusion in order to achieve this objective

0:55I we should start building because ho tum of partnership partners

1:00including not only ministries but also development agencies

1:03and also including the set the private sector and other education experts

1:08so a we sat down our main partners were AfDB

1:13a intake from the private sector UNESCO

1:17and that's where the idea started and when we start at

1:20doing that and it can work be a quiet

1:2320 reach the had to reach

1:27the program expected outcomes et cetera then we were joined by owais if

1:31the organism to this wonderful company so a

1:35now the course watching is being shaped her so

1:38a that's how did your thoughts and how it

1:43there's for now quite a large gap in a city infrastructure in Africa

1:47though it is rapidly developing but for now can technology really be used as an

1:51education tool

1:52or is this all just theoretical at this stage so

1:55first of all when we talk about technology and education we talk about

2:00two sectors sector technology which is mainly

2:04driven by the private sector very fast-moving

2:07changing involving every day and we have an education sector rather conservative

2:12and quite resistant to change in this is understood it's quite the same

2:16all OVA all over the world so when we try to

2:21a to bring these two sectors together well a No

2:25put has been done in let's we might say the first place

2:30that education system has been going through is just by Inc

2:33devices bike technology and deploying so that was the first place

2:38and that place was not very successful because lots of

2:41fun finances resources were mobilized lots of money well spent

2:45but expected outcome was not there then

2:49what you experts have been saying and

2:52as an outcome love the learned lessons from this first phase

2:55we said we move for the face of using technology to a phase of integrating

3:00technology the

3:01mainly the difference these in that the first phase the change

3:05and the uses of technology was driven by technologist so when we enter the second


3:10we focus more on educational objectives

3:13but there was a legit objectives and to try to have the

3:17technology integrated in the work of teachers of learning

3:21of teaching et cetera et cetera then the differences

3:24that we focus more on the teacher and on the learner

3:27doing so then we a and doing the work

3:31you know of teaching or with learning we see a if

3:34at the close you can bring added back and then we can talk about

3:39integration of technology a simple example for example

3:42I'm an example of a

3:45let's take cost and scored in Tunisia and 2008 there was cause discord

3:50into misery choice the City of Napa and that the rule escort within the centre

3:55of Tunis one of the a main issues that is that

3:59this is called on the cost had access to but the teachers

4:02and there was not much exchange between

4:05teachers from this region and the rural region so what has been done then as a

4:10pilot by

4:11the local education authority and and

4:14and the mishap education they tried something over simple an internet


4:18too smart boards Skype account the started exchanging between students and

4:22their teachers here and there

4:24so what came out is that that has

4:27put in new dynamics teachers from this

4:30were area they could learn from teaches on the cost

4:33and vice versa and also teaches from the area and teachers

4:37from the cost they could exchange and this is not very costly so the

4:41here what we can say is that the technology services education and

4:45pedagogy objectives

4:46not the the i mean the country which was maybe the what was happening during the

4:50first phase

4:51well using technology how can these technological platforms be used in a


4:56low literacy levels our take one one example we have here

5:00for example EE and contended from hip to

5:04is a is a digital persona peak

5:07what they have been doing is that they have been trying for years

5:11to work in the

5:13Burkina Faso with women with it in a treat

5:16the with illiterate women from certain age

5:20and they were not able to motivate this moment so they come to their classes

5:24and then suddenly in 2008 they had access

5:28to simple smart boats and on this month both

5:32that there were lots of animation it says so what they have then they won't

5:37to the same population have women motion from national

5:40over the the above the the

5:43new the market's of what to do and

5:47making the the learning process and the teaching

5:50methodology more I love the game and making use it uses of pictures of films

5:56et cetera

5:57has attracted these women to the class so what has come out

6:00is that these merchant women the movie the they learned how to count but the

6:05how to read

6:06and according to convert it but we will hear this I think

6:09in a after tomorrow morning maybe it was the result

6:13and the fact that the ability to read

6:16and to calculate has given this women more opportunity to expand their


6:21so this is a concrete example of how technology it might make the process

6:25more motivating

6:26more I mean that but smart damage how about in rural areas where connectivity

6:30is very slow or even

6:32in existent I think now 3G is becoming accessible

6:35is becoming cheaper there's still lots but that it needed to be done

6:40this is one thing the other think we shouldn't go to really have to be

6:44connected to internet access

6:46to to these don't contact we will have to listen to examples from senator

6:51for example where they have a where they have been very far

6:56hula areas where there's no access to a

6:59to electricity or this no access to the Internet what they have done local


7:04with very cheap connection I mean connectivity

7:07the 10 20 kilometres and this connectivity didn't come out and meet


7:12to the content that is and that is saved and stored within the

7:16local within local servers so that they can have a

7:20access so there's no really need to be on in the Internet to have access to an

7:24interesting content

7:25Palace sources we we know that the today we're there they very cheap I mean I

7:29cannot mention

7:30I mean the brands and companies we know that there's very very cheap min

7:34a solutions for this I was talkin 10 the

7:38I mean one of our partners a music equip from Microsoft is today and we mentioned


7:43is a mentors I mean it's in becoming more acts

7:46who talk about solar solar power to devices

7:49now becoming more more I mean economic accessible the solar powered devices

7:53have to be distributed but people have to be trained to use them as well so

7:58where do you start of distribution or training let me talk about the

8:02what i've seen in Burkina Faso year and a half ago at what they

8:07said what they have done they gave these a

8:10these the they deploy distance course

8:14and there for them and they gave lamps

8:17to children that they could use at home

8:20not so they can make their homework at night but

8:24they kept the charger within the school premises

8:27first to be better I mean taken care of and two to make sure that the kid

8:31you know comes every day back so he can recharge his battery

8:35so he has access to education and he takes back the not at all saw him

8:39he can make use this I mean he can use this for a for a doing his homework and

8:43his family also can

8:44I mean use this I mean the during the nighttime for I mean

8:47for family business and home homemaking et cetera

8:51this forum was your idea it's a resounding success ministers have

8:55education from around the continent have flown in to participate

8:58private companies executives such as Intel and Microsoft are also here as

9:02well as a number of NGOs

9:03so what next and what exactly is areas role

9:07in all this ADA's a trusted partner love

9:10itself governments who know the African Development Bank which is our host


9:14at the moment agencies and sis two years on working more and more with the

9:18with the private sector and I think because

9:21idea is a small institutions it has the flexibility

9:25tied up very very quickly he that to the needs of the

9:29a of the year a the government's misses a vindication

9:32alt with the needs to impose upon us by either by the technological development

9:37or by the context so the why we are doing this we are doing this because we


9:44to a very simple conclusion 1 is that today education is with the source be


9:49always with only those possibility of either and

9:52the government's or agencies are experts

9:55so at the private sector he supposed

9:59and should become a partner who this and NGOs that said

10:02so we said if we are I mean it's like it you have had very heavy load

10:07the lawyer you know the the easy beginner weaken the

10:11we can move the i mean the I mean the heavy loads so we said that we ship

10:14should all work together

10:16to achieve a common objective and in order to do that

10:19what we have been doing line with Ministry of Education's objectives

10:24then we a we have been discussing they have to be used in a school with with I

10:28mean private partners et cetera

10:30and if they think that that they can be convergence of interests

10:34I mean creating a win-win situation then they would join in and what has been

10:38other I mean that has been happening and

10:40intel has joined a tomorrow there will be a signing up animal you with


10:45so Microsoft has seen what what we are doing in there will be also joining so


10:50I wish is that this that this course was him

10:54a develops more and more more partners come in

10:57government the government agencies so civil society

11:01a the private sector and the more this partnership develops

11:05the easier we will be able to achieve them and objectives I mean

11:08African minutes is a vindication how is ITT for education being funded in Africa

11:14I think there's we cannot there's no one unique model

11:17to if we look for example at

11:22school what they mean the Government of Kenya is trying to do now

11:26they're trying to buy and devices laptops &

11:30provide this to all primary school the

11:33linus the government and the

11:36economic model they're trying to fund this from taxpayers

11:41so this is one way of this a very classical way of funding

11:44such projects but I would take for example one above the project that has

11:48been taking place in 10 is that is providing Internet access

11:51to 6500 schools and so what

11:55there there was a partnership between the Minister for Education and Tunisia

11:59to come

12:00and because of this case then this one is this Kate and two is the social

12:04responsibility of the year

12:06of the I was the enterprise and it is it a cup

12:10then to have provided I mean a special scoresheet

12:14that would allow and I think that might 2016 or public schools around six

12:18outside and there will be a

12:20will be a would be wired to the Internet so I don't think that there's one unique

12:24morning another model for example that we have seen that

12:28is that who is wide sending the license you know that when we know the

12:32government they sell licenses 3G 2g

12:34more by phone licences so protocol for example in the

12:38so the three G lights or the money want them to what this group what they call

12:42the squalor

12:43initiative so I think that different kinds of

12:46a funding I mean mothers and it might be interesting to look at these

12:50and this funding there's a session on this night secession 6

12:54on the and Wednesday afternoon that will be addressing this issue

12:58in what ways do you hope this form will help you and ADA

13:02advance in your objectives what we hoped one is

13:05to build the common understanding of

13:10what is I City integration in education

13:13and the fact that leadership should stay within

13:17a within the profession I've education

13:20and bat that doesn't mean they would monopolize the whole process but they

13:25can all read

13:25make that happen if they work with other government agencies

13:29and other partners even donors and development agencies and

13:33so this is very very important to the fact that

13:37it can only be done within the year year framework based on partnership

13:41and we we have seen that many countries had developed policies strategies and

13:47action plans and we're not able to implement that

13:49so phasing this I think we should the

13:53a help me through the vindication understand that they can't do everything

13:57at the same time maybe when their right to die with a ride on the policy the

14:01such it's possible

14:02but then when they start thinking about how much this is gonna cost

14:05or if they have the capacity the human capacity prevented they can't

14:09so it's it's important to start thinkin in terms of me tell all locked up five

14:14to 10 years

14:15and try to paste this into maybe five or four phases

14:18a tattoo that's very important are you overall optimistic about where this is


14:22other longtime yes yes on the lock them I think this is a first start

14:26there's a lot of work that needs to be done but yes some kind of optimistic

14:31over the very longer %uh

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14:58tell us about ADA idea is

15:01a.m. network which brings together

15:05or the Ministers of Education and Training

15:09in Africa and or the development partners

15:14which %uh supporting the development of education in Africa

15:18we are recognized by the organization

15:22by the AU as the Britannia

15:25network on education

15:28in Africa been so we carry out a lot of

15:32credibility and authority

15:36and the North pricing environment we have traditionally

15:40being probably that won the body that could bring Ministers of Education

15:46and sometimes many sets of education and fight nonce to look

15:50acted topic or issue so that they could evolve policies

15:55that %uh appropriate in ordered to be implemented specific

15:59actions in priorities with regard to that particular action

16:04so the issue of icy T is one that has been

16:09exercising our minds for the last three or four years

16:13into we decided after admitting one signed in technology

16:18in March last year which we link or organize with the African Development

16:24Bank UNESCO

16:25United Nations Economic Commission for Africa

16:30the Government of Kenya just

16:33we decided that we would organized AC Milan conference

16:38but not all focusing specifically on ordan

16:42information communication technology and now this can be integrated

16:48into education and training and this is where we have work to do over the years

16:53to to bring these about E to ask it is very important

16:57and because there's a lot of confusion

17:01regarding the dues in the dones so for us it was very important to bring all

17:07the key players together

17:08we have the advantage that it true

17:12of the most important players in this field

17:16Intel Corporation Microsoft

17:19and Hewlett Packard I've also partnered with us

17:23in the let alone when we're organizing the conference

17:27a group from China also wanted to join date:

17:30enough to join this table so it

17:33we would constantly do this kind of with having this kind of our

17:37going for in this Act idea so it is not surprising

17:41Bedwell organizing packets a very important moment for us

17:45to organize this because we are now working very closely

17:49with UNESCO with African Development Bank

17:53in now with these other development partners Africa's education and training

17:57needs are very diverse and very specific to each particular country

18:01and setting so how can we look at global policies and global programs when it

18:06comes to using technology to further education needs

18:09the first of all we have to be very careful that the Wii

18:14don't think he meant a I'm

18:17area that needs to be indicated the

18:20we know that Africa faces many challenges

18:24but probably the most serious problem that

18:28Africa faces in terms

18:31of catching up with this from the world

18:35is released underdeveloped human resources

18:38I this not believe sincerely

18:42that if Africa invested sufficiently

18:46in a good education and trading

18:49that it would be the fact or over the world

18:52tomorrow just as China is the fact of the word

18:56Sol we believe that the any of

19:01I CT is also an opportunity for

19:06after we got to catch up with the rest of the world

19:09we have seen what Africa has been able to do

19:13with I CT even with a cell phone look at the way the

19:18drugs chairman they'd pay beans in Kenya

19:21because the this country in Africa in the world had to develop this technology

19:26so we think they are you job opportunities some food you we have not


19:31foreseen where Africa would also be medium

19:34in we also want to avoid the situation

19:38we have frankly Africa is going to

19:41suffer a huge did out the heightened

19:45so it is very probable be to use moment

19:48is because because we I have all these

19:52cause I but it does and from institutions lacked by demanding due to

19:58the lack UNESCO

19:59but more importantly because Intel

20:02in Microsoft and Hewlett Packard

20:06the the any big bucks which they can bring

20:10in when using at doing it they're doing it because basically I need

20:14the computer I market

20:18has been shrinking at but guess what

20:22there is a huge market in Africa so would like to take advantage of the fact

20:27that the CIA

20:28nope which we need for doing business in order to collaborate with him

20:32in order to advance African education and training

20:37you are right in saying that

20:40what about with all the problems of instability and so forth

20:45much I'm saddened that will be yet we cannot wait and do if the African

20:49countries temple

20:50be up by taking some of these actions we may actually be contributing to

20:55stability and peace

20:57because one of the reasons why young people

21:02I easy to use to mid to upper

21:07kind adequately sir all other people in the air condit

21:11is because if nothing else to do in we believe that if we can provide them an

21:15alternative to wood education

21:18food training creating jobs this is one wheel of

21:22creating stability baby moving them

21:25for more the demagogues were at the moment whaling

21:29him ADA is working hand in hand with a variety of partners to make these

21:33technological platforms available to the education sector in Africa

21:37but for these platforms to be effective work also needs to be done at a policy

21:41level with governments

21:43a global curriculum even have to be written do you work a man as well

21:46until recently we the mend I

21:50the police level but after our meeting in order to

21:54and also this sick in the valuation of idea

21:58carried out by US Army of Canada

22:02it became clear that we cannot or the storm i'd the abstract level

22:07that we need to go into implementation

22:11so as a matter of change in policy

22:14we have decided especially on the advice corporate is didn't

22:19bliss gumbo of will begin at Russell that we are going to go into


22:24all he asked me we did not go into implementation

22:28in 54 countries so we have developed some criteria

22:33as to which countries we are going to go into fist

22:37in this morning where they've been nice discussion with Intel

22:40we have their winning yield back now with us starting in one

22:45anglophone and one from before the country been expanding the network

22:50so we are going to go into implementation

22:53but we are sitting some VAT stringent criteria

22:56one of the great idea is leadership and commitment

23:00because we believe that without the leadership without commitment

23:04is not with possible to make progress but we believe that if we choose the

23:08country's Prepac

23:10when the basis of video clear chretien

23:13we can get traction and we can start making a difference


23:19the net


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